Why defending Cabbage is detrimental to women everywhere.

Cabbage. Political indie-rockers from Manchester that were well on their way to big-time success. “Were” being the essential part of that sentence. The 5-piece have been touring and grafting like everyone else, recently being part of the Blossoms-headlined NME Tour which helped them out a bit with that late majority of the indie community that only heard of them since their Soccer AM appearance. However, something has put a stop in Cabbage’s tracks for now.

If you haven’t been on Twitter in the last two days, you might have missed this.

*edit – this account has now been made private, you can read her words below*

I would recommend reading it all, but if you prefer not to read the whole thing, here’s the gist. The 19th April saw Cabbage supporting Kasabian at O2 Forum Kentish Town in London. Accusations have been made against frontman and lead singer Lee Broadbent stating “he proceeded to put his hand down his trousers, fondle himself, then rub his hand over the girl, ragging on her hair.” I’m going to stop here before quoting the next sentence. This is sexual assault. Many don’t seem to understand this. Sexual assault is “any type of forced or coerced sexual contact or behaviour that happens without consent”. Ragging on or ruffling or even touching someone’s hair or head after touching your privates is assault. Straight up. The girl in question did not consent to come into contact with any amount of Broadbent’s sexual organs, and that is sexual assault. I just wanted to make that clear as the next sentence is “Basically forcing her face first into his crotch” which is the part many are disputing. Forcing her face into his crotch or not, having your hands down your pants then touching another person is sexual assault. Super, glad we’ve cleared that up.

 

Now, the tweet goes on to state that the girl’s dad (who was there while the incident occurred, terrifying if true) complained to security, who brought out Broadbent to apologise to the girl and “all he did was start an argument with her dad…refused to apologise and got aggressive…stating that it was all part of the act”. ‘All part of the act’ is the worst bit of this for me, this is the position and opinion of “lad” bands and their “lad” fans. Get rowdy on stage, have fun, perform well, but any amount of non-consensual interaction is not just part of the show, it is assault and should be treated as so. The lad fans have been out in droves to defend poor Lee and whether he did it or not, they are totally wrong to do so.

 

Victim blaming comes from a state of mind where the person of privilege – in this situation, Lee, the older male in a position of power stood on a barrier and representing his musical outfit as the frontman – is presumed to be the one telling the truth. This comes from systems of privilege going back an extremely long time from Broadbent being a white male, but also due to him being the frontman of a band which apparently makes you a god impervious to criticism or wrongdoing. The main argument seen in comments and tweets defending Broadbent are things like this:

Whether you’ve met Lee at a gig once, twice, fifty times, have had a drink with him down the pub, have mutual friends, are his best mate or known him since he was a baby doesn’t mean you know whether these accusations are true or false. Have you never met someone you thought was totally sound, liked them, loved them, and they turned out to be an utter dick? Or even if not, we all know friends who are total arseholes when they’re intoxicated. It was stated in the original tweet that Lee needed help putting his guitar on because he was so “off his head” which has been corroborated by others in the crowd. Whether he was out of his mind on drugs or alcohol is no excuse for his behaviour, I’m only mentioning it to try and make those with that mindset understand that these statements could easily be true. Lee Broadbent could be a lovely guy but that has nothing to do with whether he assaulted this girl or not. People aren’t always what they seem, and situations like this are not irregular.

 

The main point to consider for anyone reading this is that presuming the party in a position of power is innocent, often the male in cases of sexual assault (Lee Broadbent in this case), is the reason why so many women do not report cases of sexual assault and even fewer perpetrators are sentenced. Fans presuming Lee’s innocence purely for their own happiness and a clear conscience is a form of victim blaming. These people have no concern to whether the girl in question could have been hurt, upset or a lot worse by the possible actions, only that their favourite band is going to be okay and can still make a living. There has been an overwhelming consideration and worry about slandering Lee or Cabbage’s career, and very little for a young girl’s wellbeing. But okay. Yes Cabbage are there to make a living, and the other 4 members are not to blame, but unfortunately, when an event like this happens on stage, it is the entire band’s responsibility.

 

You don’t have to pick a side, you don’t have to think Broadbent did it, there is just no need to defend a man in the position of power. Every single person defending Broadbent is making it harder and harder for women who are victims of sexual assault which is 1 in 2 women !!! (source). 1 in 2 women experience sexual assault yet people are still so surprised that a musician they like could do such a thing. It’s not shocking, it’s to be expected. (I am just concentrating on women here as this article is concerning Cabbage who are male, I am not in any way saying only women get sexually assaulted, 1 in 5 men are victims of sexual assault, and many more who do not identify as either gender.)

 

Furthermore, comments like the ones in the tweets and Facebook comments above are frustrating, not only because they are so ridiculous but saddening that a lot of them are from women. Women referring to sexual assault as “a bit of grit” or Sarah here starting her comment with “As a female”. As a female?! Being female does not mean you represent all females and doesn’t mean other females haven’t felt unsafe at Cabbage gigs. I’m disappointed if anything.

 

Cabbage made a statement a few hours after the accusations were made on Twitter. Here it is.

 

 

Again, I recommend reading it but the important bits are:

 

“We completely deny the accusations put against Lee this morning”

 

“His hands were never down his trousers”.

 

Firstly, this statement is not an apology as some are calling it. There isn’t an apologetic tone to any of it and to straight away deny these accusations is foolish. If Lee understood the girl was “offended” enough to go and meet with her and her father, why are they denying he did anything wrong? If nothing happened, Cabbage and the security could have easily ignored them and moved on. But clearly, something did. Whether Broadbent and the father shook hands or had a heated argument – something happened. Furthermore, stating that “anyone who’s listened to our music, been to one of our gigs or read one of our interviews knows that we would never engage in any of the actions this Tweet accuses us of” is simply Cabbage covering their backs in the same way their fans have done already. Basically, ‘come on guys, you know we’re sound lads, this is ridiculous!’ when it is very clear even by their own statement something offense-worthy occurred.

 

In addition, it is quite clear this wasn’t written by the band themselves. Not only because of Nadia Mendoza’s eagle-eyed point that there is a quote mark at the end of the statement and not at the beginning “as if it’s been copy/pasted from someone telling them what to say.” This may or may not be the case, but it would be foolish to think Cabbage wrote this themselves, because as much as they may be ‘anti-establishment lads’ they are managed by some very big companies in the industry with big PR teams who immediately step in when acts come to a fork in the road such as this.

 

It also very quickly became clear on Twitter that “his hands were never down his trousers” is a probable lie.

 

Videos and pictures (see below) from – admittedly not the same gig – showing Broadbent with his hands clearly down his pants and touching himself makes their claim his hands weren’t down his trousers seem more and more unlikely. Additional corroborations from other twitter users (1, 2,  3, 4, 5) and Safe Gigs For Women telling the Quietus that they “have had multiple reports from different people about the incident at the Kasabian/Cabbage show” seems to be enough evidence to show Broadbent often does put his hands down his trousers and considering his intoxicated state, probably did do on the evening of the 19th.

 

 

 

These are examples of evidence that many Cabbage fans are already denying, forgetting, ignoring after asking for “evidence” of the alleged assault when defending Broadbent’s reputation and immediately blaming the victim. There is often no clear “evidence” in cases of sexual assault which leads to victims being accused of lying by those more privileged. It is the reason that “only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence choose to report to the police” and “only 5.7% of reported rape cases ending in a conviction for the perpetrator” (source). In comparison to the number of sexual assaults that occur every year, this is a horrific statistic. Why are victims presumed to be in the wrong or be lying immediately? Why do we live in a society where this is accepted? Why would we presume a young girl is a liar when a drunk man with a history of touching himself on stage is accused of sexual assault? It is anything but surprising to me and many who work in the music industry. People at this point may now say I’m overreacting. Broadbent didn’t rape anyone or anything of the sort. No, he didn’t, but even less major forms of sexual assault should be and need to be considered and treated with the same attitude. Assault is assault. Only when pinching a girl’s bum is considered assault and not just another part of a cheeky night out with the lads is when we will be closer to resolving these serious issues.

 

I’m not here to accuse anyone of anything, simply to reiterate that continuing to defend lad culture and the misogynism within it means events like this will continue to happen. It’s unlikely we will find out if these allegations are true or not, but the thing to remember is that Cabbage did nothing to try and make this situation better. Broadbent may have apologised to the girl’s father but apologising while also denying what happened is cowardly. The decision to deny all allegations from the band’s management is PR suicide. If the girl was offended and Lee Broadbent apologised to her, then why are they denying it? It makes no sense and is just another reason on top of all the reasons already that this issue needs to be discussed. Sexual assault is not discussed because women are scared they will be retributed or not believed and when they do they are victim blamed which leads to more silence. This cycle will indeed be never-ending if we do nothing to stop it. Cabbage’s punk persona already died slightly after their appearance on Sky TV less than a week after openly attacking The Sun newspaper, but this may be the final nail in their coffin. Bands are allowed to have on-stage personas and align with attitudes that will make them seem cooler to their fans but don’t pretend to be crazy onstage with a punk attitude and when your act backfires, run crying into the corner pretending it never happened. It’s not cool, it’s not punk, and it’s not right. Stop defending those in the position of power, stop victim blaming and stop sexual assault.

 

Tell Elli that Cabbage are nice guys on Twitter @cometobrazzill

20 thoughts on “Why defending Cabbage is detrimental to women everywhere.

  • April 21, 2017 at 6:58 pm
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    All good points. However, in the U.K. you are innocent until proven guilty. Irrespective of sex or position of power. Thats why so few sexual assaults get reported. But I can’t see any other way of the law operating. To assume guilt until proven innocent would lead to many more mistrials of justice.

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  • April 21, 2017 at 9:32 pm
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    Not at all. The reports of what allegedly happened make me feel disgusted and pretty sick. Mani you’ve completely misunderstood what I’m trying to say (or I’ve expressed it badly). The article made lots of valid points. What I’m trying to say is that in this case if the assault did occur that this should be a relatively easy prosecution if the victim reports it – there will be witnesses. But until that prosecution has occurred the person is deemed not guilty. That’s the way the law works – it’s actually a human right (check article 11 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights).

    I have no sympathy with predators. But I do agree with human rights. Sorry if I don’t don’t explain myself well.

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  • April 22, 2017 at 8:46 am
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    I agree with a lot of this article. I think it’s important to remember that (although not excusing him) this was definitely Lee trying to do his best ‘grotty Fat White Family punk front man’ impression which is so popular at the moment. This is what happens when that is not natural and goes badly wrong…

    We can condemn him for what he did, but I do hope everyone remembers that he didn’t mean it as a malicious sexual assault.

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    • April 24, 2017 at 1:43 am
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      I mean that really isn’t the point though? Whether or not it was ‘malicious’ that girl still had to be humiliated by the guy, in front of a massive audience AND her dad – that isn’t the kind of thing that will be easily remedied. The intention isn’t the important issue here.

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  • April 23, 2017 at 6:48 pm
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    A lot of people seem to be very certain of what happened – amazing that you were all there and had such a clear view of the incident.

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  • April 24, 2017 at 11:04 am
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    I’m a little confused here. I completely agree that any form of unwanted touching, male on female, female on male, any touching at all, is completely unacceptable. However, the writer of the article seems pretty intent on making sure that there’s only one acceptable view on the actual event and equally intent on guaranteeing we believe that it it all happened in the worst possible way. The bit that really glares is that, at the beginning of the article, the writer states very firmly that Broadbent, equally firmly, refused to apologise. Towards the end the writer states that the “fact’ that Broadbent apologised makes it a fact that something did happen. It’s an important issue, let’s not start making things up as we go along to suit our purposes.

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  • April 24, 2017 at 12:03 pm
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    So there’s still no evidence that it happened barring what a single ho on Twitter said? OMFG CRUCIFY THEM RAPISTSTSTDTTDT!!!!

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  • April 24, 2017 at 1:42 pm
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    I can see, to a certain extent, why they could claim it’s all part of the act. There’s been a history of rock ‘n’ roll on stage antics, from the Sex Pistols gobbing on and insulting the audience (…well, I wasn’t there, so I can’t prove that myself!) to Iggy Pop gyrating on stage and practically displaying his meat & veg for all to see. So if a singer thinks that sticking his hand down his pants is the modern-day version of being Iggy Pop, then I guess he’s entitled to do that. I personally wouldn’t not to see that on stage when I’m attending a gig, but perhaps I’m just a boring old prude!

    Anyway, regardless if he assaulted this girl or not, he certainly cannot deny he puts his hand down his pants at their gigs, as there seem to be plenty of photos and videos to prove he does. None seem to be available of this particular gig, unfortunately, but if he’s done it at several other dates on the tour with photographic evidence, then he certainly cannot deny it’s something he does on stage on a fairly regular basis. Own up to that bit, at least!

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    • April 24, 2017 at 10:02 pm
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      What the fuck has this got to do with the seventies?

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  • April 24, 2017 at 8:08 pm
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    I wonder if this ever happened at a Stones concert, or a Doors concert, or a Stooges concert

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  • April 24, 2017 at 9:07 pm
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    If it did, that doesn’t make it right. Society, morals and the law move on.

    Does anybody know if the girl who it is alleged this happened to has reported it to the police or spoken out about it? Or is it just a moral trial of the singer by Twitter with no confirmed evidence except one persons tweet?

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  • April 25, 2017 at 3:04 am
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    The writer seems hell bent on sinking the band, based on her own off-target analysis of a situation that she’s only read about. She totally wants it it to be ‘sexual assault’ because it suits her requirements for trying to create an interesting read.

    I know the band well, I’ve worked with them and I can tell you, as someone who works with young bands on a daily basis that they are one of the most intelligent and exciting live acts coming out of the U.K right now. They’re a very astute, socially and self-aware combo that work as a team and have only one goal when playing gigs – to try make you like them and not to do it like any of their current peers.

    At their own shows they usually end up wearing just their underwear as part of the act – yes Lee wears underwear.

    The writer keeps using the term ‘male in a position of power’ to describe Lee. Has she ever performed on a stage in front of a crowd who are mostly waiting for her to get the hell off it, so the main act act can get on?. I doubt it.
    You certainly don’t feel empowered in that situation. You’re kind of shitting your pants and trying to stay focused at the same time. Desperately trying to remember your parts/lines whilst trying to put across an impressive performance to a potentially hostile crowd.
    It’s not a sexy situation either. Even if you are in the main act, for most performers it’s not a conducive situation for sex or even thoughts of sex. – the combination of concentration, physical exercise, heat, nerves and adrenaline can do funny, shrinking things to the penis, although the male radar for a pretty face never switches off.

    Unfortunately Lee does put his hands down his pants – my observations of this came to the conclusion that he does it at moments of total concentration when mentally he’s at a point where his physical appearance/stance are of no concern to him at that moment . I actually see it as a sign he’s putting his all into his musical performance.Thats an observation made after hours of time with him in a creative environment, not like the writer’s sensationalist approach, Ooh, there was a complaint – he must be a wrong ‘un.

    At the 8 Cabbage gigs I’ve been to, I have never witnessed anything like the crotch and face scenario that may or may not be alleged. I have only seen them at their own gigs where the front section of the audience [male and female] are encouraging the eccentric antics and Lee stage-dives/interacts/includes the audience in his performing. Knowing that he recently broke bones in his pelvic region – you also have to question how steady the poor guy is on his feet right now?

    Was the Kasabian gig an all ages show?
    I’m wondering why you would take your father to a concert? Possibly this is a bit of overbearing dad syndrome?
    I don’t know. If the girl who had this experience is genuinely traumatised then I apologise for the doubt, but when Kasabian came on , did she not find someone’s crotch firmly pressed against her back, throughout the show on the front row? Would she have complained if Tom, their singer, had made some sort of physical contact? or would that have made her night just perfect?
    Cabbage have now performed in front of tens of thousands of people and one complaint. This is going to sound harsh, all aspects need raising before you point your finger in print, but maybe this complaint is coming from a bit of a nutter? ….. we don’t know.

    I’m someone who has been going to and performing concerts for over 35 years big and small – I’ve never once had the urge to touch up a stranger, but at the front row of a rock gig when the main act comes on, you’re going to get touched – probably all over , by the swell of the crowd – I assume there is dancing and moshing at Kasabian shows – most of those people will not mean to touch you – you get shoved – Is this any different?. If a guy goes to the toilet and doesn’t wash his hands and then comes into contact with a girl – is that sexual assault? This writer is almost taking us there.

    This writer is ‘disappointed’ with Sarah , who is quite obviously just trying to say that she is a ‘she’ and that she doesn’t feel threatened by the band, but occasionally by the rowdiness of the crowd. The piece then goes on to have a go at Sarah, stating she is not representing all women – she was never trying to, she was just sharing her experiences of attending Cabbage shows – but this piece is saying all women want the same experience at a concert. Face facts, some straight girls like the rough and tumble of a rock show and being surrounded by a load of sweaty men brushing up against them.Each to their own. She doesn’t agree with the article’s perspective and she more knowledgable about the so-called villain. It’s all about consent and respect and not some catch-all 2017 PC handbook in how to behave when at a concert that the writer is imposing on us all.

    You have to look at the intent. The band’s reply reads to me like firstly they were angry that anyone would think that of their show, followed by embarrassment and horror at the way some people have chosen to interpret and sensationalise what happened. Take a look at their lyrics – mostly written by Lee – Do you read anything that hints at what you accuse him of? – It’s just not there. He’s a well read individual trying to educate about political rights and wrongs around the world.

    This piece reads like the writer is trying to carve a name for herself rather than tackling the genuine concern for women’s safety at concerts. The risk in the main is surely from pissed up lads taking it way too far whilst ‘high’ on very loud music, using the anonymity of a concert crowd to escape detection.

    If Lee is genuinely guilty of anything, for me, it is the nativity of not toning down the Cabbage performance slightly and tailoring it for another band’s crowd.
    He’s a young musician determined to put on a stage show that goes beyond the shoe-gazing acts of his generation not the mysogonistic terror you want to portray him as to bump up your own “likes” and ‘followers’

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    • April 25, 2017 at 11:45 pm
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      I do appreciate your response Ding, and as I trust you I will trust that you know Lee well enough to know he’s a decent bloke. But there are a few points I need to raise regarding your defence of him…

      “The writer seems hell bent on sinking the band, based on her own off-target analysis of a situation that she’s only read about. She totally wants it it to be ‘sexual assault’ because it suits her requirements for trying to create an interesting read.”

      I disagree. It appears to me she is merely speaking out about an issue she feels strongly about. We live in a society where far too many women are made to feel unsafe in public due to the threat of sexual assault, and have been on the receiving end of harassment yet have met with indifference from both the authorities and other members of the public. Yes maybe there is a degree of bias in that she is inclined to think him guilty when he may not be. But all her points are made with good reason and attention to the facts, and I think speaking out for women’s rights and equality is more the issue at hand than ‘sinking a band’s career’. Never forget we’re living in a world where the man elected as the so-called ‘leader of the free world’ finds it acceptable to boast of ‘grabbing women by the pussy’. This is not a matter to be taken lightly.

      “Even if you are in the main act, for most performers it’s not a conducive situation for sex or even thoughts of sex. – the combination of concentration, physical exercise, heat, nerves and adrenaline can do funny, shrinking things to the penis, although the male radar for a pretty face never switches off.”

      I really don’t see the validity of this point. Whether sex is something the performer thinks of on stage or not is irrelevant, it does not physically prevent him from touching up a woman in the audience. Even you yourself point out that ‘the male radar for a pretty face never switches off’, thus undermining your previous point- would that make it okay for him to touch a woman sexually?

      “I actually see it as a sign he’s putting his all into his musical performance.Thats an observation made after hours of time with him in a creative environment, not like the writer’s sensationalist approach, Ooh, there was a complaint – he must be a wrong ‘un.”

      You know Lee personally and I don’t. Maybe you’re right and it is his way of ‘putting it all into his musical performance’. But you have to admit it’s a bloody odd way, I have never seen ANY other musician put their hands down their pants during a live show. The writer is not being sensationalist nor jumping to conclusions; she is basing her points on careful consideration of the facts.

      “If the girl who had this experience is genuinely traumatised then I apologise for the doubt, but when Kasabian came on , did she not find someone’s crotch firmly pressed against her back, throughout the show on the front row?”

      Possibly by chance, but if someone rubbed his crotch against her deliberately in the audience she would have just as much right to complain. There are far too many men who deliberately rub their crotches against women in crowded gig audiences, and pretend it’s accidental. This is unacceptable. Plain and simple.

      “Would she have complained if Tom, their singer, had made some sort of physical contact? or would that have made her night just perfect?”

      If Tom had shook her hand or something I’m sure that would indeed have made her night just perfect. If Tom had groped her or forced her face into his crotch though? Um, I highly doubt it. Sexual assault is wrong regardless of whether the victim is a fan of your band or not.

      “at the front row of a rock gig when the main act comes on, you’re going to get touched – probably all over , by the swell of the crowd – I assume there is dancing and moshing at Kasabian shows – most of those people will not mean to touch you – you get shoved – Is this any different?”

      Yes it is different. Because it is different from what she is alleging Lee did, i.e. touch her deliberately in a sexual manner without her consent.

      “If a guy goes to the toilet and doesn’t wash his hands and then comes into contact with a girl – is that sexual assault? This writer is almost taking us there. ”

      There’s really no need to ask that question at all. The answer is obviously ‘no’ and I do not feel the writer is taking us anywhere near suggesting that.

      “Face facts, some straight girls like the rough and tumble of a rock show and being surrounded by a load of sweaty men brushing up against them.”

      Um, I have many straight female friends who regularly attend rock concerts and not a single one of them has ever spoken of enjoyment at having sweaty males brush up against them. This is akin to saying women ENJOY sexual harassment, which is one of the very reasons women feel afraid to report these crimes, because people have the attitude of “Oh, I bet she enjoyed it anyway.”

      “It’s all about consent and respect and not some catch-all 2017 PC handbook in how to behave when at a concert that the writer is imposing on us all.”

      If ‘how to behave at a rock concert’ equates with ‘don’t sexually assault people’ then I don’t think there’s any kind of over-the-top political correctness about that at all. It’s not only common courtesy. It’s the LAW.

      “You have to look at the intent. The band’s reply reads to me like firstly they were angry that anyone would think that of their show, followed by embarrassment and horror at the way some people have chosen to interpret and sensationalise what happened.”

      If they were angry about an accusation being made without good reason then fair enough, but even if that were the case they are being totally unprofessional by displaying that anger in a public statement. When someone has alleged something as serious as this, even if it is a pure misunderstanding, their duty is to apologize and clear up the matter; not to bring anger into it at all. If the incident has been exaggerated or sensationalize, it is their duty to explain how the misunderstanding came about, and offer a sincere apology.

      “Take a look at their lyrics – mostly written by Lee – Do you read anything that hints at what you accuse him of? – It’s just not there. He’s a well read individual trying to educate about political rights and wrongs around the world.”

      Was there anything in Gary Glitter or the Lostprophets frontman’s lyrics that indicated their predatory nature? The lyrics may well be intelligent and well-intentioned, but they are not an indication of innocence.

      “This piece reads like the writer is trying to carve a name for herself rather than tackling the genuine concern for women’s safety at concerts.”

      I disagree. She does not flaunt her own name or status at any point during her article. She merely stands up for women’s rights and expresses the need for women’s safety at gigs with genuine concern.

      “He’s a young musician determined to put on a stage show that goes beyond the shoe-gazing acts of his generation not the mysogonistic terror you want to portray him as to bump up your own “likes” and ‘followers’”

      If you re-read the article, the writer is actually open to the possibility of Lee’s innocence. It is the attitude in the band’s official statement along with that of those who are making excuses for such alleged lecherous behaviour that she is concerned with. I don’t see any evidence that her intention is to bump up her likes and followers. Just to defend women’s rights.

      I have a lot of respect for you Ding, and please do not take my disagreement with your points as a personal stab at you. There may well be a degree of bias in the article, but its points are based on solid facts and reason, and if there is bias then the public conduct of Lee and his legions of defenders are not exactly doing them any favours.

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      • April 29, 2017 at 4:19 am
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        Only just seen this Aidan ….will discuss face to face …..but just re-read the headline to the article “Why supporting Cabbage is detrimental to women” – reads as guilty and if you like them you’re a mysoginist. Seen them twice since this mini-debacle. Based on a Tweet that some journo fleshed out. It never happened. Big gig , high stage, press pit, then barriers …. if he stands on the barrier his crotch maybe at face height, but no contact was made. It’s total bullshit

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        • April 29, 2017 at 12:15 pm
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          That’s reasonable enough; regardless of what actually happened at the gig and where you stand on it, it’s no reason to stop liking the band or supporting them. It may well just have been a misunderstanding. I hope Lee is innocent of the allegations and trust you enough that he’s a decent bloke. Mine and the article’s points were more to do with the way certain people on social media have basically made out such actions would have been acceptable or excusable if they did occur, and that the tone of the band’s response does not exactly work in their favour. I posted this response to your reply on my FB wall initially but it got deleted because the person who made the original comment in the thread later deleted it. If Lee is indeed innocent there is no reason for this to harm his career. We’ll chat about it more in person when we next meet!

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  • April 25, 2017 at 10:01 pm
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    “Face facts, some straight girls like the rough and tumble of a rock show and being surrounded by a load of sweaty men brushing up against them.”

    Damn dude…

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  • April 26, 2017 at 4:11 pm
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    Protection is not the preserve of the music business, Elli. The aviation industry rallied behind the Germanwings pilot who murdered all his passengers under the pretext of ‘suicide.’ If what you say is true, dad, who had presumably decided to accompany her because he had reservations about the band, or the venue, or both, did the wrong thing. He should have dialed 999 on the spot and declared a sexual assault had taken place. ‘Security’ in the live music venue is a euphemism for not very bright, mainly over-sized people who are good at manhandling people out of the building but have no concept of what to do in a situation such as this and certainly lack any form of initiative. They will fall back to management rules and those rules will state “don’t rock the boat where the ‘artist’ is concerned.” When you need the cops you call the cops.
    That outcome would have been better for everyone, including Mr Broadbent, because if he is indulging in such behaviour it would have been stopped and, presumably, he would have learned not to do it again, thus improving his career prospects.
    If he was “off his head” to the point that he couldn’t put his guitar on then he needs help with that, too.

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